tolerance [General]
2013 Jan 9
Rape is too strong of a word to toss around. If my daily paper wasn't filled with stories about the Steubenville Ohio rape crew, the gang in India who raped and murdered Jyoti Singh Pandey, and every other woman who is assaulted in some way, maybe I too could laugh at how being charged $3 is just like being raped. But I can't and I am horrified that the people on this forum think it is ok.
Nearly 1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted. I bet everyone on here knows of at least 1 woman in their life that has been affected.
www.nytimes.com
The scariest thing in all of this, is the young men that throw the word around like it is nothing. If adults continue to throw it around like it is nothing, then they are just going to perpetuate the behaviour.
I don't care about the people on the internet. I did care about the people on this forum, but I don't find this funny or absurd.
Nearly 1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted. I bet everyone on here knows of at least 1 woman in their life that has been affected.
www.nytimes.com
The scariest thing in all of this, is the young men that throw the word around like it is nothing. If adults continue to throw it around like it is nothing, then they are just going to perpetuate the behaviour.
I don't care about the people on the internet. I did care about the people on this forum, but I don't find this funny or absurd.
2013 Jan 9
I missed the original post where this evidently happened, but I do agree that this is too strong a word to be tossing around casually in these types of comparisons. And I'm definitely not the sort of guy that jumps on the political correct bandwagon. This is serious stuff not to be made light of, and yeah, it would probably be clear in the given context that it is intended as hyperbole, but that still contributes to a culture of making rape OK. In whatever very small way.
2013 Jan 9
According to Merriam Webster Dictionary only 1 of the 3 definitions of the word refer to anything sexual.
It is a strong and dangerous word when used in the sexual context, no doubt.
The way it was used in the specific post had NO sexual reference, therefore no sexual context of the word was used.
Whoever took it as anything sexual did that in their own right.
Not the posters fault that you see stories of sexual deviance smeard all over the media and immediately have a tainted view of the word.
It is a strong and dangerous word when used in the sexual context, no doubt.
The way it was used in the specific post had NO sexual reference, therefore no sexual context of the word was used.
Whoever took it as anything sexual did that in their own right.
Not the posters fault that you see stories of sexual deviance smeard all over the media and immediately have a tainted view of the word.
2013 Jan 9
My politics on the matter are simple: everyone is free to speak however they wish; if you misspeak out of ignorance or bad taste, be prepared to withstand the withering scorn you should rightly be subjected to when you do.
From my view, it is anti-intellectual to hide behind the convenient screens of "I don't go for all of this PC BS" or "I was trying to be humourous". Please. The English language is full of lovely words that describe exactly what you are trying to say without vulgarity. Pick your knuckles off the ground, learn them and use them. Or don't, and be judged accordingly by those that do.
'Withering scorn' coming in....3....2....1.....
From my view, it is anti-intellectual to hide behind the convenient screens of "I don't go for all of this PC BS" or "I was trying to be humourous". Please. The English language is full of lovely words that describe exactly what you are trying to say without vulgarity. Pick your knuckles off the ground, learn them and use them. Or don't, and be judged accordingly by those that do.
'Withering scorn' coming in....3....2....1.....
2013 Jan 9
Um sorry, but the "raping" of the English language in this thread is hard to take.
First, I have no clue what "tolerance" has to do with anything, unless we're talking about tolerance for rape victims, which I think most people would think is a reasonable thing to expect.
Second, I don't get all red faced over the use of the word, though I can understand perfectly well why some people do, but can we please not pretend that someone claiming that they have been metaphorically raped is referring to marauding barbarians? The modern definition of the word is clear and we all know what someone is making reference to when they use it, more so when they're colourful enough to put "ass" in front of it.
First, I have no clue what "tolerance" has to do with anything, unless we're talking about tolerance for rape victims, which I think most people would think is a reasonable thing to expect.
Second, I don't get all red faced over the use of the word, though I can understand perfectly well why some people do, but can we please not pretend that someone claiming that they have been metaphorically raped is referring to marauding barbarians? The modern definition of the word is clear and we all know what someone is making reference to when they use it, more so when they're colourful enough to put "ass" in front of it.
2013 Jan 9
Folks, pay careful attention to the thumbs up/down in this discussion. Once again I'm happy to report that the masses are sane and the miscreants are few. :-)
Rape is a loaded and emotional word. Using it frivolously for dramatic effect is extremely offensive to the many who have suffered the real abuse that it represents. It is not a joke. There are far more suitable words to choose. Don't be an ass.
Rape is a loaded and emotional word. Using it frivolously for dramatic effect is extremely offensive to the many who have suffered the real abuse that it represents. It is not a joke. There are far more suitable words to choose. Don't be an ass.
2013 Jan 9
First of all I find the subject of this thread misleading since it has nothing to do with tolerance but an objection to hungryhungryhippo's review of the Mill Street Pub and LJW's response to it: ottawafoodies.com/buzz I agree with what Fresh Foodie said about rape being a loaded word and perhaps referring to a "rape-job" in a foodie review was a poor choice of words. I think we should all think twice about what words we choose to use in a review since the tone intended by the reviewer may not come across the way it was intended.
FoodMonger I think Brian Mc was referring to Rizak's opening comments in this thread.
FoodMonger I think Brian Mc was referring to Rizak's opening comments in this thread.
2013 Jan 9
Enough people already think rape isn't a serious enough topic so that they can laugh about the women they've assaulted, police can choose not to investigate allegations, or society can unfairly blame the victims. Words are powerful and throwing 'rape' around trivializes an unfortunate phenomenon that already isn't being dealt with appropriately.
2013 Jan 9
English is beautiful language, I studied Grade12 English in order to enter the college.
Oh man, it was really hard. Written English is so different from spoken English.
Words have power. Words express your thoughts and feelings...there are so many words to choose from.
Too bad some people use "ONLY" coarse language and F words all the time to express themselves. It's lame and boring.
I recommend anyone to read Philip Michael Ondaatje's books. He is a Sri Lankan-born Canadian novelist. Book full of great expressions and story becomes tangible while you are reading it.
Rape is murder in my opinion. Killing victim emotionally for sure.
Victim could be me, my sister, my mother, my grand mother, my friend,
my son, my husband...man could be a victim too.
Have anyone seen the movie "Deliverance" before?
For the extre $3 for the pop refill, I recommend you to listen to
Beethoven's "Rage over a lost penny"
youtu.be/ZHetvDqnkzE
Evgeny Kissin is god!
Oh man, it was really hard. Written English is so different from spoken English.
Words have power. Words express your thoughts and feelings...there are so many words to choose from.
Too bad some people use "ONLY" coarse language and F words all the time to express themselves. It's lame and boring.
I recommend anyone to read Philip Michael Ondaatje's books. He is a Sri Lankan-born Canadian novelist. Book full of great expressions and story becomes tangible while you are reading it.
Rape is murder in my opinion. Killing victim emotionally for sure.
Victim could be me, my sister, my mother, my grand mother, my friend,
my son, my husband...man could be a victim too.
Have anyone seen the movie "Deliverance" before?
For the extre $3 for the pop refill, I recommend you to listen to
Beethoven's "Rage over a lost penny"
youtu.be/ZHetvDqnkzE
Evgeny Kissin is god!
2013 Jan 9
I don't give a flying ratfuck about what's acceptable on the internet... i'm always going to stand on the 'rape is not to be minimized' side of the debate.
I understood what you meant, Rizak, when you posted it, but use of the term in pretend-context, absurd or otherwise, does not make it ok in my view and i agree with the poster who called you on it.
I understood what you meant, Rizak, when you posted it, but use of the term in pretend-context, absurd or otherwise, does not make it ok in my view and i agree with the poster who called you on it.
2013 Jan 9
Lots of interesting ideas and words flying about on this one. Gotta say, I do find it a bit odd (and this is a totally personal opinion here) that there is concern about the use of the word ‘rape’ in a non-sexual context (and perhaps there should be), and yet there are at least two threads that I know about on this forum that talk about ‘porn’.
Not my job to judge or condone someone if they do or don't like porn, but many people are grossly offended by pornography. And yet, on this forum we joke about it. Yes, in the right context, talking about ‘food porn’ can be considered funny. Not derogatory, shameful, violent, abusive, or any other way that those that are anti-porn may express about the word ‘porn’.
It would be very easy for someone new to either the internet or to this site to make some rather inaccurate assumptions about this site when they come across a thread called “Amateur Food Porn” or “Aisu Kurium’s Food Porn” on the forum page.
It seems to me in the English language, words are taken from one usage and put towards another, especially words of a sexual nature. I’m sure there are also posts in this forum that talk about getting ‘screwed’ on a bill or service at an establishment. There are many ways for a person to feel or get violated. However, any human that feels as though they have been violated by an experience (weather it was physical, sexual, financial, emotional, etc, etc), should be able to share that without being condemned. What one person considers to be a huge violation, may be a trifling matter to another. But they are all valid human experiences.
Humans are sexual beings, and it would seem sexuality is on the minds of many most of the time, how or in what context it’s on their minds is a personal thing, until of course it is posted publicly. Yes, we should all be respectful of what we write for public view, but where does it end? Anything can offend anyone. Part of my job is killing animals for a living. I must offend millions everyday by just waking up and tending to my animals, or talking about what I do. How can one know what will or won’t be offensive to someone they’ve not met? Freedom of speech seems simple, but horribly complicated at the same time.
We are a culture that focuses more on teaching women how they can avoid being raped, rather putting most of the focus on teaching people NOT to rape. So rape is (very sadly and tragically) common and in our news more than it should be. I wonder, if we lived in a culture where all people (men, women, and children) were treated with value, and rape was a thing that was rare or non-existent, would this thread have come up?
How many of us use the expression: "I'm starving!" How offensive that must be to those that don't get to eat on a regular basis. What about" "I've been slaving over this hot oven all day!" Millions of slaves out there growing our food and stitching our clothes. What do we know about slaving?
So do we use the word that may be offensive or hold back? I dunno. :-(
Not my job to judge or condone someone if they do or don't like porn, but many people are grossly offended by pornography. And yet, on this forum we joke about it. Yes, in the right context, talking about ‘food porn’ can be considered funny. Not derogatory, shameful, violent, abusive, or any other way that those that are anti-porn may express about the word ‘porn’.
It would be very easy for someone new to either the internet or to this site to make some rather inaccurate assumptions about this site when they come across a thread called “Amateur Food Porn” or “Aisu Kurium’s Food Porn” on the forum page.
It seems to me in the English language, words are taken from one usage and put towards another, especially words of a sexual nature. I’m sure there are also posts in this forum that talk about getting ‘screwed’ on a bill or service at an establishment. There are many ways for a person to feel or get violated. However, any human that feels as though they have been violated by an experience (weather it was physical, sexual, financial, emotional, etc, etc), should be able to share that without being condemned. What one person considers to be a huge violation, may be a trifling matter to another. But they are all valid human experiences.
Humans are sexual beings, and it would seem sexuality is on the minds of many most of the time, how or in what context it’s on their minds is a personal thing, until of course it is posted publicly. Yes, we should all be respectful of what we write for public view, but where does it end? Anything can offend anyone. Part of my job is killing animals for a living. I must offend millions everyday by just waking up and tending to my animals, or talking about what I do. How can one know what will or won’t be offensive to someone they’ve not met? Freedom of speech seems simple, but horribly complicated at the same time.
We are a culture that focuses more on teaching women how they can avoid being raped, rather putting most of the focus on teaching people NOT to rape. So rape is (very sadly and tragically) common and in our news more than it should be. I wonder, if we lived in a culture where all people (men, women, and children) were treated with value, and rape was a thing that was rare or non-existent, would this thread have come up?
How many of us use the expression: "I'm starving!" How offensive that must be to those that don't get to eat on a regular basis. What about" "I've been slaving over this hot oven all day!" Millions of slaves out there growing our food and stitching our clothes. What do we know about slaving?
So do we use the word that may be offensive or hold back? I dunno. :-(
2013 Jan 9
Context and the communications target are very important.
I started the "Amateur Food Porn" thread and stand by with what I said, including "- no photoshopping ... lets' keep it raw (like real amateur porn)". The context here is obviously humor.
I've noticed a swing in the pendulum of Political Correctness in the last 20 years or so. I think there is some of that going on here as well.
I started the "Amateur Food Porn" thread and stand by with what I said, including "- no photoshopping ... lets' keep it raw (like real amateur porn)". The context here is obviously humor.
I've noticed a swing in the pendulum of Political Correctness in the last 20 years or so. I think there is some of that going on here as well.
2013 Jan 9
Political Correctness is just a silly term for basic respect. Those who disagree with the concept will die out as societies mature. It is not a pendulum. The "good old days" (tongue in cheek) are gone for good. The slaves are free and women can vote, get used to it.
re: porn vs rape, it is not the sexual aspect of rape that is most disturbing... rather, it is the overpowering and domination of the victim. The fact that the huge majority of rape victims are female and that society still has outdated views of blame make the whole thing a gender issue as well. The word is an emotional trigger word for many direct and indirect victims of rape. Avoiding frivolous use of the word is just basic respect.
re: porn vs rape, it is not the sexual aspect of rape that is most disturbing... rather, it is the overpowering and domination of the victim. The fact that the huge majority of rape victims are female and that society still has outdated views of blame make the whole thing a gender issue as well. The word is an emotional trigger word for many direct and indirect victims of rape. Avoiding frivolous use of the word is just basic respect.
2013 Jan 9
Whereas, I don't think that the original intent of the use of such words in the initial review was to be offensive, to suggest that we, as a community move towards using different words that don't risk trivializing the words that normally refer to some pretty bad stuff is probably for the best.
It's not censorship, or political correctness run amok. It's progress.
It's not censorship, or political correctness run amok. It's progress.
2013 Jan 9
Wow. I apologize to those that were offended by my choice of language, in my circles the word in question is often used as a describe an event, regardless of significance, in which one party is abused in a financial manner by another. In fact It comes up frequently when discussing taxes and banking fees.
FF feel free to remove my comment.
I am going to take this opportunity to sign off. I am not certain that I will be able to hold myself to the high expectations of those on this board that have progressed much more rapidly than I, and the criticism.... especially from those VERY experienced critics is too hard to bear.
I would invite you all to use the search tool to study the historical use of offensive terms on this board, just to ensure your position is not hypocritical. Searching on the term Nazi is particularly interesting.
FF feel free to remove my comment.
I am going to take this opportunity to sign off. I am not certain that I will be able to hold myself to the high expectations of those on this board that have progressed much more rapidly than I, and the criticism.... especially from those VERY experienced critics is too hard to bear.
I would invite you all to use the search tool to study the historical use of offensive terms on this board, just to ensure your position is not hypocritical. Searching on the term Nazi is particularly interesting.
2013 Jan 10
I'll also just suggest that there's a strategic issue that problem needs to be taken into consideration by everyone (myself included) on the side contending that the word 'rape' ought not to be casually used.
That is, in instances where 'rape' is used in a way which is arguably inappropriate, we should make sure not to merely condemn its usage and the person who used it, but instead try to explain why we view its use as unacceptable. I don't mean to say that this hasn't been the thrust of many of the comments. I think a number of people have commented that it's unlikely that any offence was meant. But a response which is overly vehement or which belittles the person who used the word without realizing its full weight will simply polarize the debate in a way that makes it difficult to come to understanding with one another. However, I'll also add that people, when asked about their use of a word, should be open-minded and willing to reconsider it in the face of valid reasons to do so if they are to be considered a member of decent society. I don't think this is too onerous a request. I hope we can agree that we would expect that if someone says the 'N-word' with no malicious intent and is informed as to its inappropriateness that they would then cease its usage.
I'll take Hungry Hungry Hippo's point that there are other questionable words which often come up and we should be aware of the use of these as well. However, Fresh Foodie raises a good point about the continued, contemporary problems around this specific issue (although, and I made the same mistake earlier, we probably aren't helping by discussing rape as a 'female problem' when it often involves men and men may be rape victims as well). As for the fact that this is a forum about food, I'm rather happy that someone pointed out the problematic use of 'rape' in the review. As for the fact that it resulted in an entire thread... that wasn't the doing of the anti-'rape' patrol, or the 'PC Gang' or whatever. It's the result of a protest against 'political correctness', which I think is mainly just a disparaging term applied against those who try to be polite, empathetic, considerate, and respectful. If you think that political correctness is oppressive, then imagine what it must be like being the victim of the unfortunate material conditions that political correctness tries to work against.
That is, in instances where 'rape' is used in a way which is arguably inappropriate, we should make sure not to merely condemn its usage and the person who used it, but instead try to explain why we view its use as unacceptable. I don't mean to say that this hasn't been the thrust of many of the comments. I think a number of people have commented that it's unlikely that any offence was meant. But a response which is overly vehement or which belittles the person who used the word without realizing its full weight will simply polarize the debate in a way that makes it difficult to come to understanding with one another. However, I'll also add that people, when asked about their use of a word, should be open-minded and willing to reconsider it in the face of valid reasons to do so if they are to be considered a member of decent society. I don't think this is too onerous a request. I hope we can agree that we would expect that if someone says the 'N-word' with no malicious intent and is informed as to its inappropriateness that they would then cease its usage.
I'll take Hungry Hungry Hippo's point that there are other questionable words which often come up and we should be aware of the use of these as well. However, Fresh Foodie raises a good point about the continued, contemporary problems around this specific issue (although, and I made the same mistake earlier, we probably aren't helping by discussing rape as a 'female problem' when it often involves men and men may be rape victims as well). As for the fact that this is a forum about food, I'm rather happy that someone pointed out the problematic use of 'rape' in the review. As for the fact that it resulted in an entire thread... that wasn't the doing of the anti-'rape' patrol, or the 'PC Gang' or whatever. It's the result of a protest against 'political correctness', which I think is mainly just a disparaging term applied against those who try to be polite, empathetic, considerate, and respectful. If you think that political correctness is oppressive, then imagine what it must be like being the victim of the unfortunate material conditions that political correctness tries to work against.
2013 Jan 10
I'm going to follow Yan's advice with a little story about my mom.
When she first emigrated to Canada, her English was not as good as her French and (native) Swiss-German. She attended a potluck meal at the home of a well-to-do British couple and the dish she brought was a grated beetroot salad.
When queried as to how she prepared the beets, she shrugged and replied, "Oh, you just rape it like a carrot!"
There was a stunned silence, during which my dad figured out her mistake. She had used English pronunciation on the French word 'raper' meaning 'to grate'. Much laughter ensued.
And there ends the only happy rape story I've ever heard. :-)
When she first emigrated to Canada, her English was not as good as her French and (native) Swiss-German. She attended a potluck meal at the home of a well-to-do British couple and the dish she brought was a grated beetroot salad.
When queried as to how she prepared the beets, she shrugged and replied, "Oh, you just rape it like a carrot!"
There was a stunned silence, during which my dad figured out her mistake. She had used English pronunciation on the French word 'raper' meaning 'to grate'. Much laughter ensued.
And there ends the only happy rape story I've ever heard. :-)
2013 Jan 10
Lots of interesting things here ... the one I want to comment on right now is how words evolve
This is true and I believe poignant in this context - words do evolve and take on other meanings that are completely different from their original meaning. There are 2 routes a word can take when doing this - (1) it can either take on another meaning which harkens back to the original meaning and tweaks it slightly, or tries to remind us of the original meaning, or (2) it can take on a new meaning which really has nothing whatsoever to do with the original. Sometimes a word will go from its original meaning through (1) on to (2). Sometimes it just jumps right to (2) without going through (1). Sometimes it goes to (1) and stops.
In the case at hand I believe the alternate definitions of 'rape' are all at (1), and are meant to evoke images of the original meaning of the word. This is why it is still offensive in the case at hand. If it were moved on to (2) it would not be. I've argued this in other forums recently for the word "bitch", which I believe has a lot of alternate meanings which are at (2) and not only have nothing whatsoever to do with a derogatory word for a woman, but also do not even harken back to that definition to try to remind us of it. Or back to the definition of a female dog, either, for that matter. So as I've argued elsewhere, use of that word in certain contexts is completely acceptable, and if someone gets offended by it, it is their problem not the problem of the person using the word.
I also disagree with FF's comment on political correctness - to an extent anyway. It is true that a lot of this stuff is destined to become the "new normal" as societies evolve, but not everything that today is within the realm of "political correctness" is automatically destined for that fate. Some of political correctness is overreaction and this is why some people reject the entirety of it. As organic girl points out - everyone is going to be offended by something, and if we automatically seek to eliminate all of this, then none of us would be doing or saying much of anything. An example of this came up recently in one of my favorite blogs - PhD in Parenting ( www.phdinparenting.com/ ). I can't find the exact post right now but recently there was a social media meme going around involving a comment from a parent saying they had another successful day as a parent because the kids all lived through the day. The blog in question made a big post about this trying to stop people from spreading that meme because it was so hurtful to people who'd lost a child through no fault of their own. Of course, one of the first comments on the blog entry was from a mom who'd lost a child, saying how ridiculous this all was.
Anyway, off on another tangent ... here is one of my favorite songs (truly) :-)
Word up!
This is true and I believe poignant in this context - words do evolve and take on other meanings that are completely different from their original meaning. There are 2 routes a word can take when doing this - (1) it can either take on another meaning which harkens back to the original meaning and tweaks it slightly, or tries to remind us of the original meaning, or (2) it can take on a new meaning which really has nothing whatsoever to do with the original. Sometimes a word will go from its original meaning through (1) on to (2). Sometimes it just jumps right to (2) without going through (1). Sometimes it goes to (1) and stops.
In the case at hand I believe the alternate definitions of 'rape' are all at (1), and are meant to evoke images of the original meaning of the word. This is why it is still offensive in the case at hand. If it were moved on to (2) it would not be. I've argued this in other forums recently for the word "bitch", which I believe has a lot of alternate meanings which are at (2) and not only have nothing whatsoever to do with a derogatory word for a woman, but also do not even harken back to that definition to try to remind us of it. Or back to the definition of a female dog, either, for that matter. So as I've argued elsewhere, use of that word in certain contexts is completely acceptable, and if someone gets offended by it, it is their problem not the problem of the person using the word.
I also disagree with FF's comment on political correctness - to an extent anyway. It is true that a lot of this stuff is destined to become the "new normal" as societies evolve, but not everything that today is within the realm of "political correctness" is automatically destined for that fate. Some of political correctness is overreaction and this is why some people reject the entirety of it. As organic girl points out - everyone is going to be offended by something, and if we automatically seek to eliminate all of this, then none of us would be doing or saying much of anything. An example of this came up recently in one of my favorite blogs - PhD in Parenting ( www.phdinparenting.com/ ). I can't find the exact post right now but recently there was a social media meme going around involving a comment from a parent saying they had another successful day as a parent because the kids all lived through the day. The blog in question made a big post about this trying to stop people from spreading that meme because it was so hurtful to people who'd lost a child through no fault of their own. Of course, one of the first comments on the blog entry was from a mom who'd lost a child, saying how ridiculous this all was.
Anyway, off on another tangent ... here is one of my favorite songs (truly) :-)
Word up!
2013 Jan 10
Notwithstanding the fact that that's a pretty bad word to use for something like this, how is it difficult to hear someone object to it and say "oh heck I never thought of it that way, I didn't realize it would be so offensive, I'll stop using it now"?
Your right to use a word that makes other people uncomfortable is not sacred at all.
Your right to use a word that makes other people uncomfortable is not sacred at all.
2013 Jan 10
Definitions for the 21st century: racist: something a liberal calls you when he's losing an argument. Synonyms: sexist, bigot, homophobe.
Also notable are the ad hominem attacks some of them use in place of proper logic and argumentative skills. I saw one reference to knuckle-dragging, another to having no education beyond 2nd grade, and another person mysteriously recommending McD's in response to the (rightful) criticism of refills being charged in the original post.
HFF seems to only be offended when women are victims of rape. Fact: men are raped far more often. Think prison, think 3rd world. Fact: the sexual assault stats are a feminist fabrication, number 1 with a bullet in my book exposingfeminism.wordpress.com
Back to the PC garbage. What words are appropriate? Who decides? Is 'bent over' fine? Sodomized? Technically, in this bizarro PC world, men should be offended more by ass-rape since that is our only violatable orifice.
A lady friend told me she was slaving away in the kitchen during the Christmas holidays. Is anybody offended by this? Is she really equating her efforts to those of actual slaves (which sorry to break it to you FF, there are tens of millions of slaves still in our world. Ie. slavery didn't magically end when Django killed all the whites).
Language evolves, but not to suit the whims of special interests and professional victims. I don't do 'Ms.', wtf is that?! You're either a Miss or a Missus. 'Gay' means happy to me, 'homosexual' is the word for the lifestyle, no way will I accept the appropriation of the word 'gay'. The LBGT... alphabet soup business is plain silly.
HHH's only mistake was apologizing. I think I recall lots of thumbs down on a recent post of his when he called his wife 'world's pickiest eater'. Perhaps this current episode is a continuation of that abuse.
Also notable are the ad hominem attacks some of them use in place of proper logic and argumentative skills. I saw one reference to knuckle-dragging, another to having no education beyond 2nd grade, and another person mysteriously recommending McD's in response to the (rightful) criticism of refills being charged in the original post.
HFF seems to only be offended when women are victims of rape. Fact: men are raped far more often. Think prison, think 3rd world. Fact: the sexual assault stats are a feminist fabrication, number 1 with a bullet in my book exposingfeminism.wordpress.com
Back to the PC garbage. What words are appropriate? Who decides? Is 'bent over' fine? Sodomized? Technically, in this bizarro PC world, men should be offended more by ass-rape since that is our only violatable orifice.
A lady friend told me she was slaving away in the kitchen during the Christmas holidays. Is anybody offended by this? Is she really equating her efforts to those of actual slaves (which sorry to break it to you FF, there are tens of millions of slaves still in our world. Ie. slavery didn't magically end when Django killed all the whites).
Language evolves, but not to suit the whims of special interests and professional victims. I don't do 'Ms.', wtf is that?! You're either a Miss or a Missus. 'Gay' means happy to me, 'homosexual' is the word for the lifestyle, no way will I accept the appropriation of the word 'gay'. The LBGT... alphabet soup business is plain silly.
HHH's only mistake was apologizing. I think I recall lots of thumbs down on a recent post of his when he called his wife 'world's pickiest eater'. Perhaps this current episode is a continuation of that abuse.
2013 Jan 10
If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Bacon is a white, hetero, fairly well-off male. It's interesting to see that you touched on some of the same points as I did (rape of males, ad hominem attacks), although in such a different way.
Here's a definition for you though.
Special interest: A pejorative term used to describe any request, reasonable or not, which conflicts with one's privilege.
Here's a definition for you though.
Special interest: A pejorative term used to describe any request, reasonable or not, which conflicts with one's privilege.
2013 Jan 12
"If your favourite foods are cheese, sushi, and pasta and your favourite restaurants are perhaps Art-Is-In, and the Wellington Gastropub I can understand your pretend outrage by an errant comment about rape. Did you understand what was meant?"
I'm not sure why my preferences for cheese and the Wellington Gastropub are important enough to be pointed out. I was only speaking as a woman who was offended by a man casually using the word "rape-job". I understand what was meant by the original comment and I apologize to him if I came across as crass or immature in my heat-of-the-moment comment. I don't apologize for calling him out, however. I don't mean to come across as some pseudo-feminist because I am anything but, I was simply expressing my distaste for how words like these are casually thrown around. If you choose to compare soda refills or your bank fees, please do so in private instead of on a public forum.
I'm not sure why my preferences for cheese and the Wellington Gastropub are important enough to be pointed out. I was only speaking as a woman who was offended by a man casually using the word "rape-job". I understand what was meant by the original comment and I apologize to him if I came across as crass or immature in my heat-of-the-moment comment. I don't apologize for calling him out, however. I don't mean to come across as some pseudo-feminist because I am anything but, I was simply expressing my distaste for how words like these are casually thrown around. If you choose to compare soda refills or your bank fees, please do so in private instead of on a public forum.
Rizak
If your favourite foods are cheese, sushi, and pasta and your favourite restaurants are perhaps Art-Is-In, and the Wellington Gastropub I can understand your pretend outrage by an errant comment about rape. Did you understand what was meant? Do we all agree that rape is a bad thing? Yes. Let's move on.
Even if it isn't fake outrage, I find it a bit ridiculous to call someone out on their choice of comparison.
Example: I believe I used this exact example once when talking about shipping costs. I specifically mentioned being 'ass-raped' on shipping. I believe my point was made, and it was obvious that I was exaggerating. It is a literary technique called absurdism.
Perhaps the use of these words is too strong for some people. Well, this is the internet. You're going to run into people like me.
BTW, I could just murder a steak right about now.