Forums Bug [Site]

2008 Aug 1
I have a feeling this got introduced with the "preview" feature.

Post anything in the forum.

Then follow up your own post and all of the text from your previous post will be in the box.

2008 Aug 1
Hmmm, didn't do it this time.

2008 Aug 1
Hmmm, didn't do it this time.

But it did this time!

2008 Aug 1
Hmmm, didn't do it this time.

But it did this time!

And this time!

2008 Aug 7
Zym - I have seen this happen on occasion also. I don't think it is tied to the site update that included the "Preview" option. I believe it has to do with my (our) web browser, if I recall we both use Foxfire. I find that sometimes the page loads correctly, and sometimes a previous version loads, this is common when using the Forum.

Another thing that happens from time to time, is I will update a thread (for example with this post) and it should therefore go to the top of the Forum page. But, on occasion, even though I have made a post, and the server has accepted it "Reply Received" when I return to the Forum, the Forum list will not show my update as the last entry (#4 - Food & Think) nor will it put the topic at the top of the list.... but when I go back into the post, everything is as it should be.

It doesn't happen all the time as you say, so I've learned to work around it. I find that if I go away from the Forum (say to the Ottawa Foodies Home Page) and then back to the Forum, all is right with the world.

I agree it is wierd. No doubt something to chat with Fresh Foodie about when he gets back from vacation.

2008 Aug 7
testing from IE

2008 Aug 7
testing from IE

another test - same problem

2008 Aug 7
testing from IE

another test - same problem

yet another test - I still believe this is related to the preview feature

2008 Aug 7
Ok, let me give this a whirl here too.

2008 Aug 7
Test # 1 - Ok the previous message did show up.


2008 Aug 7
Test # 2 - Again the previous message did show up (Test # 1).
And the system was very slow to load my 2nd post.


2008 Aug 7
After Test # 2 coming up "Reply Received" I went to the Forum Index Page... and although that page was somewhat slow to load, I was pleased to see that this Topic is at the top of the pile, and my reply was listed as the lastest revision.

The when I came back here, and clicked to post this reply, the "box" was free and clear of any leftovers.

So as I said, I don't know what is causing this quirk, but going elsewhere, and then coming back corrects it. Zym I wish I could recall if I had these issues before the Preview Version was installed, but alas I don't very often find myself in a situation when I post two replies in a row.

2008 Aug 12
Patient: It hurts when I do this.
Doctor: Well, then don't do that. Why do you need to post twice in a row when you can simply edit your first post?

;-)

I noticed the same quirk just this evening. I believe it is out of my control, but I could be wrong of course.

Anyway, I see this as a potential feature that could minimize the inadvertent loss of text that some people seem to have experienced in the past. (i.e. after a failed posting you should be able to hit "Back" in your browser and recover your text.)

2008 Aug 13
I saw a software demonstrattion once where a 'quirk' came up and one person in the audience kept pointing out that quirk.

The salesman demoing the s/w hands the the person a manual and says "There's a nitpicking section at the back of the manual". The room roared with laughter because the person was a well known 'nitpicker'.

Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT calling Zy or F&T or anyone else here a nitpicker, I just want to expand on FF' "It hurts when I do this , Doctor."


2008 Aug 13
And for the record, I'm usually that nitpicker. :-)

In this case though, if you are faced with a text box containing old text, simply type CTRL-A (Command-A on Mac) before typing the first character of your posting. That will select all and then overwrite it.

2008 Aug 13
I find it interesting how you always explain-away your bugs, FF. In my view this is still a bug. But not a big one so it's no big deal.

One reason for replying to one's own message BTW is to ensure that the reply gets read. To separate it from what just got posted. I have situations where I do one. And situations where I do the other.

2008 Aug 13
Captain C - Exactly, I was agreeing with Zym's original post that on occasion I came across this quirk, but at the same time I told him how I got around it, in order to clear it, you have to go elsewhere and come back (or like you said, just ignore it and erase the text / overwrite it).

Zym - I understand your issue, I too (as I am sure others) occasionally bring forward an older message, and lo and behold, one of my entries could very well have been the last... but as I said to Captain C above, no big deal it's just a quirk. IMO your statement to FF in regards to how he chooses to manage this Website is something I want to be clear "I do not share". I understand that this is not FF's fulltime job, this is his hobby, and as such he is accountable to no-one (and it doesn't have to be 100% perfect)... I am happy to participate here, and although at times I might let FF know of things that I find on the site, I realize these are my "issues" and not his... I am grateful that he lets me play here (Re: His Sandbox).

2008 Aug 13
Oh, I agree with you completely F&T, in fact I almost said those words myself "but it's your site and you can do what you like" but they sounded too snarky.

I still find it interesting that he says this is not a bug. That's the computer geek in me talking, not the foodie :-)

Like I find it interesting that vendor 99 shows a cryptic "vendor 99" (selected for this example simply because it's The Great One's number) rather than showing the vendor's name from the database. Yup, as he's stated, it's quicker. But I'm honestly rather doubtful the difference in speed would be noticable to anyone. But the improvement in the user experience most certainly would if he did change it!

There is a reason why Apple's iPod is so successful. It's because they didn't let the geeks create the user interface. They have a team of designers (not SW designers) to do that. As I just found out today Nortel does once again (aside)

2008 Aug 13
p.s. and I use the term "geek" endearingly, and inclusively, as I myself am one :-) (not this instance where adding a new post vs editing my existing one makes most sense to me)

2008 Aug 13
Zym - OK I get what you are trying to say. I guess it's exactly what CC said earlier, it is part of the "lost in translation" aspect of communicating over the net vs in person when so many other things come into play besides the words (inflection, facial expression, body language). I know at times this has had things I have said taken the wrong way... then it is a huge challenge to make one understand what one is trying to vocalize, in the end I usually just give up (the bottled water topic comes to mind).

As for "Vendor 99" I understand the short-cut aspect, one can just type in the code rather than the whole Vendor's Name, so that another user can "click & go" but like you I think it is a bit of a pain not knowing the Vendor's name, just seeing the code. My solution is as the user I now type the name, and then the code. As I said earlier, it's FF's Sandbox, so if he say's "No Water" then I guess we aren't going to be making mudpies, no matter how much fun that could be!

2008 Aug 13
Okay my bad. I replied before fully characterizing this issue (I was sleepy last night!). It really is a bug, and I'll fix it probably tonight.

If I'm right, it only happens on the page immediately following a successful posting. That means two things: (1) my suggestion that it might help avoid the "disappearing post" problem is bunk, and (2) my suggestion that you shouldn't be posting twice in a row is very reasonable for this scenario. Much better to edit your previous posting.

2008 Aug 13
As the software salesman handling the nitpicker would say : "The quirk ? Well, it's a feature without a benefit !! ...Next question, please."


2008 Aug 13
...... and don't forget the Ottawa Foodie End User Software License Agreement..
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2008 Aug 13
... the most inmportant part....

"Should the Software prove defective, you assume the entire cost of all service, repair or correction.Some countries, states and provinces do not allow the exclusion or limitation of liability for incidental or consequential damages, so the above limitation may not apply to you. "

2008 Aug 13
Hey CAPTAIN Crunch - You are one twisted dude, with a wicked sense of humour!

2008 Aug 13
HAHA, that salesman line is a good ole chestnut ... it seriously cracked me up, and given the kind of day its been, it will be re-purposed imminently. :)

And, speaking of features without benefits, that's what i'm finding in my keyboard thanks to your last couple posts, Captain. Your MacDonald's photoshop, in particular, sent coffee-a-spewing. Maybe the forum topic table needs an extra column to forewarn the gentle users which threads you've posted on?

2008 Aug 13
Hey F&T and Itchy Feet (don't they have a Dr. Scholl's Powder for your condition?):

Thanks for your kind words.... It's go me just-a grin'in'er (Cape Breton-ese)!!

2008 Aug 13
Another related bug. Has happened to be a few times.

Reading a forum threat that has been collapsed with the relatively new collapsing feature. I've already written a sentence or more, then I want to double-check something that someone else had mentioned earlier in the thread. So I go up and open up the thread. But when I do that, my typing box disappears as does everything I'd written in it.

Fortunately I can do the "browser back" think and get it all back.

I bet that one will be tough to fix though :-)

2008 Aug 13
ha! Yes, that one is impossible to fix without resorting to AJAX-style web development. I've been tempted to go there a few times, but always balked due to security considerations. I don't have an IT department! ;-)

2008 Aug 14
Hey FF : Don't forget to fix the other bug/quirk. (You know, the feature without a benefit).

Even though I check off the 'Remember Me' box while signing into Ottawa Foodies ... I always have to type in my email and password .... each and every time.

I think this was discussed before .... but no bug fix .... yet.

Is it time to repair your sandbox FF ??, the foodies are starting to revolt. Hehehe
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Jeeeesh ... I don't know what all the chatter is about .... I'm just glad I'm no longer getting the 'Blue Screen of Death' on my Intel386 machine running Windows 3.1 .
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Anyone remember 'The Three Finger Salute' = Ctrl/Alt/Del = en.wikipedia.org
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"Most problems between people are the result of misset expectations."

2008 Aug 14
CC: Have you tried always using ottawafoodies.com instead of www.ottawafoodies.com ? I thought something like that proved to be an effective workaround for people with the "remember me" problem. It has something to do with how cookies are associated with the website.

I'm not a fan of the "www" prefix on URLs as it is redundant in the presence of the https://

Incidentally, I think I've fixed the bug zymurgist reported in this topic. Let me know if you disagree.

2008 Aug 14
"I'm not a fan of the "www" prefix on URLs as it is redundant in the presence of the https:// "

Is it really?

What about an organization with multiple internet-facing IP addresses? Only one of which is a web server. And a different box is the mail server.

So username@example.com is email that you want to go to the mail server. But http : / / example.com (I inserted spaces so your site won't munge it) you want to go to their web server. OK, mail is a bad example because it's got DNS-fu (MX records) which I believe can handle that. But what about ftp : / / example.com for going to yet anther server which is neither of the above 2? Is there some kind of DNS-fu I'm not aware of that will send ftp : / / to the FTP server, and http : / / to the web server?

2008 Aug 14
Zym, as one who manages this type of stuff, I can tell you the following:

You don't really need the www, you can alias ottawafoodies.com to www.ottawafoodies.com for example using CNAME records in DNS (well, in BIND at least).

Mail uses MX records, which can be weighted for priority.

You don't have to type https:// for any URL that runs on port 80, standard for http, but you do for a web server running on a non-standard port, or for https. It's just the way web browsers interpret it, ftp:// tells it to use tcp port 21, https:// tells it to use tcp port 443, and https:// tells it to use port 80 by default.

You can do some magic on a firewall and direct it to a different server using inbound address translation, that would allow you to use only one dns entry, and direct you to different servers, but the http and ftp prefixes have nothing to do with dns, they only tell your browser what type of traffic it is, and what port to use.


2008 Aug 14
"Is there some kind of DNS-fu I'm not aware of that will send ftp : / / to the FTP server, and http : / / to the web server?"

Not DNS, but as tre pointed out, this stuff is all based on port numbers. DNS simply maps hostnames to IP addresses -- it isn't aware of port numbers. ftp uses TCP/IP port 21 and http uses port 80. Pretty much any router/firewall allows you to route traffic for the different ports to different servers on the internal LAN.

2008 Aug 14
FF:... "Have you tried always using ottawafoodies.com instead of www.ottawafoodies.com ?"

Tried that ... it doesn't work for me running IExplorer on XP, with cookies enabled.

Oh well .. it just delays my reading of fourms by 2.2 seconds .. no biggie.

PS after scanning the last few entries here .... looks you guys know yer stuff .... I guess that's why ya'll get the big bucks !!


2008 Aug 15
Fresh Foodie - Ok I got a question... it probably isn't really a BUG other than it bugs me.

Some users names stack, some don't. Those that are long and don't stack the icon and attached name end up overlapping another foodie's icon & name when it shows up in the mini format on the Home Page.

Example (and I thank these users for the use of their names)

hungry
hungry
hippo
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the above user name stacks

LadyWhoBrunches
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the above user name doesn't stack, and sometimes doesn't shorten itself

So side by side with mine it might look like this:

LadyWhoBruncFood&Think
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(except that where it overlaps it would be gobbeldy gook because the "hes" would be underneath the "Foo")

Anyways, as I said it's just a visual thing that bugs me... "little ole nitpicking me" (sung to my theme song "Little Ole Wine Drinker Me") LOL

If you can't fix it... what the "Foo" it's just going to be something I'll have to live with.

;-)

2008 Aug 15
I can fix it....I could just change my user name to Lady Who Brunches, thus forcing the characters after Who to move down and stack...I think. Because HHH is three words. LWB is a one word user name.

Or, I just have too much time on my hands.

2008 Aug 15
Put spaces in your name and it will stack.

really easy one :-)

2008 Aug 15
LadyWhoBrunches - That is the simple answer to the more complicated Question. Because I believe that you aren't the only one, and it doesn't seem to happen with all users

For example, my own User Name comes up usually on the Home Page with the last letter "k" half missing, so that the user next to me can be accomodated in the space, but yours doesn't seem to do that foreshortening.

So I was basically asking Fresh Foodie why.

2008 Aug 15
Sadly, I don't do well with complicated questions.

2008 Aug 15
What zym said. CSS handles the word wrapping and it isn't able to break up words. If a word is too long, it will be truncated to avoid having it "bleed" onto something else. User names without spaces are considered to be one word. Changing Food&Think to "Food & Think" would fix this.

If you call yourself supercalifragilisticexpialidocius, expect to see your user name truncated frequently. ;-)

2008 Aug 16
Not to nitpick ... but I will .....

It's spelled supercalifragilisticexpialidocious and not supercalifragilisticexpialidocius, according to wiki and many other sources.

en.wikipedia.org


2008 Aug 16
LOL.. firefox underlines both in red. Interestingly, "firefox" also shows up as a misspelled word. :-)

2008 Aug 17
Another bug?

I'm using Opera, because I dislike Firefox, and Safari doesn't provide much security. Anyway, all my thumbs up/down icons and add to... icons have the words "thumbs up" or "add to..." listed over top which is kind of distracting.

2008 Aug 17
I've seen something like that before, maybe when I tried Opera (although I thought it was Camino, which is somewhat more rare). Those particular icons are actually "submit" buttons that are displayed as icons via CSS styles. Support for CSS is often a struggle for browsers (Internet Explorer is notorious for this).

Ideally I'd have a whole department dedicated to cross-browser compatibility, but I'd need to generate some impressive revenue for that to happen. ;-) For now, I'll make note of what you're seeing and then see what I can do about it. Thanks. :-)